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News -
I am still puzzled by he lull in fighting on Saturday. Only 19 attacks by Putin's forces.
Today's figures just released - say 16 attacks.
Update - 0 dead, 5 injured - Lysenko briefing at 1230.
Putin has some plan. What is he doing now?
Has realisation of his stupidity finally set in? I doubt it. He has stoked up hate of Russia in Ukraine for generations to come.

Constitutional changes -
The Rada should vote on this today. Meeting scheduled for 11 am.
Update - Rada tribunal blocked currently - 11.30 - by Liashko and his gang. So expect nothing to happen.
Update at 1300 - passed. 265 votes - enough for a first reading.
But they will need 300 at a further reading for the changes to take effect.
Reports also of some violence outside the Rada. At least 10 injured.
Some reports now say 50 injured, other reports say 100. Reading now of at least one death.
Now say he was 24 year old - newly mobilized. Shrapnel from a grenade.
Svoboda look like the culprits from all I have seen this afternoon on tv. We will see. More below.

Now saying the murderer was a member of the SICH batallion - formed by Svoboda.
So NOT a provocation as some were trying to make out.

Weather -
Hot today. 16 at 0600. High predicted of 30-32. And 35 tomorrow.
Update at 14.00 - 31 where I am. 33 in Odesa. That's in the low 90s there. Toasty.
Real smell of burning in the air again this morning. Had it for the last few days. Peat fires, I am told.
It tends to disperse during the day - for whatever reason. More noticeable at night and early morning.

01 September -
Tomorrow, the first day of school for many young Ukrainians. Traditionally here school starts on the 1st of September.
Shopping malls were busy at the weekend. It will all quieten down shortly as people get back into their routines.
But they will not be used to the barmy weather. 35 predicted for the first day back.[/b]

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Bureau of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) has considered a conflict situation regarding the unauthorized visit of the French MPs, including the head of the Monitoring Committee Thierry Mariani, to Crimea.

This was said by the head of the Ukrainian delegation to the PACE, Volodymyr Aryev, who participated in the meeting of the Bureau, during his interview with Evropeiska Pravda.

As you know, a deputy of the National Assembly of France Thierry Mariani was the leader of a group of deputies who visited Crimea in late July.

According to Aryev, the Bureau was unanimous in condemning the French politician, but did not have legal instruments to punish him.

The governing body of the Assembly, however, decided that there is a need to develop rules that would guide the rest of the PACE members when visiting the occupied territories in the future.

“The case of Mariani was sent to the procedural committee. Bureau proposed to develop recommendations for such visits. Regarding distrusting him as a head of the committee – he said that if accused of manipulations to the Committee, he would immediately resign, “- said Volodymyr Aryev.

The meeting of the Migration Committee on the migration will take place in Strasbourg on 28 or 29 September, during the regular session of the PACE.

All five Ukrainian members of the Migration Committee, including Nadiia Savchenko, have signed an appeal to the Committee on Mariani’s resignation from his post.
Radio Liberty journalists Iryna Stelmakh and Levko Stek have filmed a man throwing a grenade towards the law enforcers guarding the building of the Verkhovna Rada.

Radio Liberty posted the footage on its website, Censor.NET repots.
The statement reads: "The moment of explosion was filmed from two angles: from the building of the Verkhovna Rada and the square in front of the parliament. The video clearly shows a man pulling out an explosive device from black backpack and throwing it at the cordon of law enforcers. The person has escaped from the scene immediately after that. It is evident from the video filmed by the other camera. It is difficult to identify the person while his face is covered by a medical mask."

To read further go to this link: In Russian
The leader of the militants, "LC" Igor Carpenter did not rule in the occupied territories of the Luhansk region a referendum on joining the "republic" to Russia.

As leader of the terrorists, the people will support it.

"How can there be against the grandmother who stole the retirement Yatsenyuk, children Day, who wake of the bombing?" - Was quoted as "RIA Novosti".

Recall that the "referendum" which addressed the creation of "Lugansk People's Republic" was held May 11, 2014. In Russian
President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko said that today's events at the Verkhovna Rada - it is anti-Ukrainian campaign.

He said this in his speech because of the events in Parliament and outside it.

For her, all the organizers must bear a strong responsibility, law enforcement officers are given clear objectives regarding the transparency of the investigation.

"Also as a stab in the back as you can still call the events that unfolded after the vote today in the Verkhovna Rada. It was anti-Ukrainian campaign, for which all of the organizers, without exception, all the representatives of the political forces should bear a strong responsibility. As the legal and I will check, because today I had a meeting with all the security forces are given clear objectives regarding the transparency of the process of investigation and to bring to justice not only the perpetrators, but also the organizers, including the political, "- he said. In Russian
US State Department welcomes the adoption by the Verkhovna Rada amendments to the Constitution of Ukraine in terms of decentralization and calls for bringing the perpetrators of the clashes at the parliament. This at a briefing in Washington, said the Deputy Speaker of the US State Department Mark Toner.

"We welcome the vote by the Ukrainian Parliament of the draft constitutional changes regarding decentralization. This is an important step towards good governance for all Ukrainians, it will also help to realize another important part of the Minsk agreement ", - said Toner.

Also, a State Department spokesman said, "We condemn the violence at the parliament, which reportedly resulted in the death of at least one police officer, and dozens injured."

Toner said that the State Department sympathize with the family and friends of the victims and to the families of those injured.

"We urge all Ukrainians, regardless of their political affiliation or association, respect for law and order," - said Toner.

In addition, the United States, he said, fully supported the right of Ukrainian participation in peaceful protests, but "in a democratic community of all disputes should be resolved peacefully and in accordance with the law." In Russian
«егоїстичними політиканами» Egoists. Tymoshenko for sure. She wants to be president. Nothing has changed there.

I presume they want the SICH batallion member who threw the grenade, killing and maming many young people, including veterans of ATO, releasing.
Plus others who maybe shot the policemen in the legs.
Maybe lets release a few rapists and axe-murderers also while we are at it.
Svoboda is finished.
It could have condemned the murder. But instead it wants the murderers released.

I know there is no love lost between Avakov and Tiagnibok, but this violence - murder indeed - cannot be excused or simply forgotten.

Incidentally, I presume this is the police station fairly close to the central bus station. A pleasant residential area - or it was.
Quite close also to the old Karl marx chocolate factory.

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Now - he could, like Yarosh, have said it was madness and idiotism. And condemned it all but... he doesn't. He blames the Rada and the police.

Saying it was all a provocation... yeah...

Saying that the MPs who voted in favor of the new law were the first provocateurs.
And then the police attacked - they provoked the response.
And then - more provocation - so that the police threw grenades at themselves, and shot themselves, presumably. All a provocation.

There is good video of the guy at the back throwing the grenade. And he was found with a second grenade.
Presumably Tiagnibok will say the video was fake, and ... the grenade was planted on him... mega mega conspiracy....

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on Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:38 pmNelson
Минздрав: В результате беспорядков под Радой 21 человек получил огнестрельное ранение

"According to the SE" Ukrainian scientific-practical center of emergency medical care and disaster medicine of the Ministry of Health of Ukraine "as of 17 hours. 05 min. to the emergency teams (emergency) medical care for medical help turned 44 people (civilians and law enforcement officers), who have suffered 31 August 2015 as a result of clashes between protesters and law enforcers near the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine ", - said in a statement.
It is noted that 21 of the injured were diagnosed with a gunshot wound.

In addition, affected obralilis in acute care about: poisoning - 2; slaughtering soft tissue - 4; polytrauma - 5; fracture of the left shin - 1; laceration - 2; ZKTG - 1; stress response - 2; ZCHMT - 4; contusion - 1; concussion - 1.


Strange that they are only now saying this.
I guess they thought they were grenade injuries. But fire arms also.

Found this video
Report says 5 policemen killed. I haven't heard that here yet.

Many other videos. Some blaming Putin, of course.
But the evidence it that it was a Svoboda member who threw the grenade at the police - fresh from the frontline.
Do a search рада граната
Rada grenade - and you will find many videos now. Different angles.
now on Kanal 5.
Earlier reports of shooting.
The boy who died they thought had been shot, but he was hit by shrapnel supposedly to the heart.
now saying 21 others shot.
Just like Yanukovich did to those at Maidan.
This news only from one source - kanal 5 - at the moment.

Maybe Svoboda are really trying to start a civil war. This is absolute madness.
As Yarosh himself said, Idiotism.

No word at all yet from Tiagnibok. Nothing. Silence.
on Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:27 pmNelson
kanal 5

Sympathy for those wounded.
Taking about dis-arming the terrorists.
Looks like he needs to disarm some Ukrainians also.
He didn't really say anything about what he would do. But the Rada now needs protection from idiots.

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on Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:15 pmNelson

The Security Service of Ukraine (SSU) banned 16 Russian artists and media activists from entering the country, the SSU’s press service said in response to Ukrainian online news source Apostrophe.

In particular, Russian writer Vladimir Kucherenko, Russian publicist Yegor Kholmogorov, and Russian economist and publicist Mikhail Khazin are declared personae non grata in Ukraine.

In addition, the list includes 13 artists: Russian singer Oleg Gazmanov, MP of the State Duma and Russian singer Iosif Kobzon, Russian singer Valeriya Perfilova, Russian music producer Iosif Prigozhin, Russian actor Sergey Bezrukov, Russian actor and singer Mikhail Boyarsky, Russian singer Nikolai Rastorguev, Russian actor Ivan Okhlobystin, Russian actor Mikhail Porechenkov, Russian singer Grigory Leps, French actor Gerard Depardieu, who was earlier granted Russian citizenship, Russian singer Stanislav Piekha and Russian filmmaker Nikita Mikhalkov.
Apparently on a break from the frontline.
So NOT a provocation.
One Ukrainian killing another Ukrainian. Madness - playing straight into Putin's hands - just like a civil war. Idiotism, as Yarosh had the guts to say.

Avakov, Arsen. "Погибший солдат Дебрин -24 лет - из Херсона - все-таки осколок в сердце, не пуля. Задержанный гранатометчик - свободовец из Сичи.". Twitter. Retrieved 31 August 2015.

The Sich Battalion (Ukrainian: Батальйон "Сiч"), named after the Sich of the Zaporozhian Cossacks which challenged the Polish, Russian, and Turkish rule of Ukraine, is a special police battalion formed from volunteers in the Kiev area.[1] The unit was formed by the Svoboda party in June 2014[2] and is composed of around 50 volunteers some of whom have prior military service. On 26 August 2014 the battalion had its oath taking ceremony officially making it an active unit.[3] The battalion underwent 2 months of basic training prior to activation, other territorial defense units such as the Svyatyi Mykolai Battalion or Donbass Battalion formed from volunteers at the start of the War in Donbass and began engaging Russian insurgent forces with minimal training or equipment. While Sich Battalion much smaller than the other volunteer territorial defense battalions it was designed for the specific purpose of combating insurgents in the 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine.[4]
The head of Ukraine's Ministry of Internal Affairs Arsen Avakov said a Sich Battalion member was arrested after a member of the National Guard of Ukraine was killed during rioting in Kiev on August 31, 2015.

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on Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:42 amNelson
Just watching 2+2 news.
they have already isolated the person who threw the grenade on video. He was stood at the back, in dark clothes.
Surely they can find footage of him. But - if he was wearing a mask, then it will be hard to identify him.
But many others also throwing stones. Some foreigners - tourists injured also.
I don't think they'll be coming back to Ukraine in a rush. Other journalists also injured with stones.
But, of course, the worst injuries were from the grenade. Footage of one French journalist injured in the lower leg.
A lot of blood on the ground after that protest - they showed several pools -
right now -

Saying they've found the guy.
on Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:26 amNelson
Kanal 5 5 minutes ago.
Interviewed two people at the protest and asked why they were there.
One said she was given 50 hryvnia and told to go there.
The second - babushka - said she was given a t-shirt and 50 hryvnia.
Both said that they didn't have the faintest idea what the protest was about.
So - who organised it all? Lots of Svoboda flags, that is for sure.
Police arrested 30 people.
Yatseniuk said that they will find the murderer and prosecute him (or her).
This has been said in a Cabinet’s decree of August 26 posted on the government website on Monday.

The agreement was extended automatically once in every three years on condition that none of the parties reports a wish to terminate it in writing at least six months prior to the end of the appropriate period.

At that rate Putin doesn't need to invade. He can use Svoboda to wipe out the Ukrainian military!

My take on the situation.
The right-wing in Ukraine have been incredibly stupid - and given Putin a lovely publicity coup.
Deaths in front of the Rada. Ukraine without order - or the order of the Right Sector and Svoboda.

Emotions are running high, of course, but you cannot dictate politics by blowing up Ukrainian soldiers.
Nobody can - neither Putin nor Svoboda.
Svoboda - I don't think Avakov would accuse Svoboda without knowing they are behind this attack.

Kanal 5 news - right now.
Saying - live from a hospital. 1 dead. 1 in a coma. 4 very badly injured.
More than Putin injured today.
No political objectives can justify today's violence near the Verkhovna Rada.

As reported by Censor.NET, this was announced by the Interior Minister Arsen Avakov on his Facebook page.

"About 90 people injured near the Verkhovna Rada, including some of them in grave condition. This happened after several explosive devices were thrown by people wearing T-shirts with Svoboda (political party - ed.) insignia, having engaged in a fight with the National Guard officers near the Parliament. Mr. Tiahnybok, would you tell us the difference between Svoboda and the scum firing at our soldiers at the front?!

See more: About 100 law enforcers injured near Verkhovna Rada, 10 in grave condition, - Interior Ministry. PHOTOS

"No political objectives can justify what you have done today near the Verkhovna Rada. This was not a political rally you organized today near the Parliament - you brought the scum, who injured among others more than fifteen soldiers, having returned from the front! Four fighters have got very serious injuries of eyes, abdomen, neck and legs.

"Investigation and punishment are inevitable. About 30 people have already been detained. More arrests are to follow. The attacker has been detained, with grenades, including an F1 anti-personnel fragmentation grenade, having been seized from him.

"I ask for society's full support of the hardest punishment against those involved in the violence in the heart of Kyiv! If we all do not respond, the country will plunge into chaos, following the orders of villains with grenades!" Avakov wrote. In Russian
Certainly Avakov now looks like a defender of Ukraine, and Svoboda as killers of Ukrainian conscripts.
At the moment, the metropolitan authorities have identified 56 injured as a result of the clashes near the Verkhovna Rada, of which 54 - law enforcement officers, and two - the journalists. The journalists said the deputy chairman of the KCSA Mikhail Radutsky, reports Ukrinform.

Seems lower than the bbc figure of 100. But who knows...
on Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:20 amNelson
Kanal 5.
Kanal 5.
If Svoboda members are found to have been throwing grenades, and are responsible for the death of Ukrainian soldiers, I think that is the end of them as a party.
They should be banned, just like the Communist Party. Murderers.

Looks like Svoboda have joined forces with Putin in killing Ukrainian soldiers.
No other explanation currently for this stupidity.
Has Putin paid Svoboda to start a civil war?
No wonder people are trying to avoid the draft.
Who wants to stand in front of the Rada and get blown up by Svoboda?
The poor lad didn't even get extra pay for being in an ATO zone.
on Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:03 amAdmin
The Russian / rebel troops were engaged in firing at their own positions, Information Resistance NGO head Dmytro Tymchuk writes in Facebook Aug. 31.

"The rebels opened fire directed to the depth of their positions several times on Aug. thirty.

Near Svitlodarsk, between Lohvynove and Kalynivka, active small arms fire was observed, followed by the exchange of fire from large-caliber machine guns, bazookas and 82-mm mortars.

More automatic arms fire took place near Pisky and Opytne, with the enemy firing at its flanks.
TV address.
Klitchko has said that several police officers were killed.
Condemned the violence.
Wow... and I was there just a week ago. Right there. Taking a photograph.
This really is a disgrace for Ukraine. Svoboda?
That policeman has certainly lost his freedom.

Reading more - 25 year old conscript from Kherson.
You would have thought being outside the Kiev Rada was safer than being at Shirokino. .. but not in his case. Poor lad.
Update - saying that he was not shot, but hit by shrapnel in the heart.
So somebody was throwing grenades.

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Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk on Monday will make a statement about the events at the Verkhovna Rada on this day.
As the agency "Interfax-Ukraine" in the government, the prime minister is expected to appeal about 17.00 on Monday.

I also read that Poroshenko is going to make a statement on tv.

There was an explosion. I thought it was a smoke grenade, but.. looks more serious. Much more serious.
They need to put the barriers up again around the Rada. Too dangerous.
Unarmed policemen getting killed. Blown up.... That is not right outside any parliament anywhere in the world.
Another senseless death in Kiev.
5 voted with Poroshenko.
Looking harder and harder for Poro to get the 300 votes needed.
And if he fails, then what?
on Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:19 amNelson
Аваков: Під Радою поранено близько 90 осіб
«Це результат кинутих декількох вибухових пристроїв з боку людей у ​​футболках партії „Свобода“,
Clearly blaming Svoboda for the trouble.
A missile was hurled from the crowd of demonstrators, many of whom were carrying banners supporting ultra-nationalist Svoboda (Freedom) party.
A loud explosion rang out and an AFP reporter described seeing several people covered in blood.
One policeman's leg was torn off below the knee, Interfax Ukraine reported.
Journalists who had been covering the developments were also among the wounded.
A lot of Svoboda protestors - flags - outside the Rada
Liashko, Tymoshenko and Samopomich against the changes.
on Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:05 amNelson
Photos taken from Kanal 5, live, about 5 minutes ago.
Line of police with riot shields. A few demonstrators left, but not many.

Just noticed the Headline under the photo says more than 10 injured in the protests

And a couple more photos from inside, earlier -

Turmoil as Groisman tries to get things moving, and Liasko and gang try to stop proceedings

Lutsenko summing up

on Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:44 amNelson

Very quiet.
Putin's next plan about to go into operation, but what is it?

1. A lull, and then all out attack?
2. A lull - fake withdrawal, and then attack and occupy further territory?
3. Realise that the policy in the Donbass was incredibly stupid, has alienated all of Ukraine, and cut your losses before Russia itself disintegrates in a year's time from exhaustion of the emergency fund?
4. Putin himself doesn't know what to do yet?
Russian-backed rebels stopped using heavy weapons on Sunday and reduced the intensity of shelling to the lowest level since April 19, Ukrainian officials said yesterday.
In the past 24 hours, rebels fired at government troops from rifles, machine guns and grenade launchers in only 19 instances.

Article slightly wrong.
It is dated today, 31st, but says 19 attacks - but that was Saturday's number. Yesterday - 16.
The question the article should ask is - why?
But it doesn't. Putin has changed plans. But that is not necessarily a good thing.
Maybe a lull, and then all out attack... or suggest a withdrawal again... and then occupy more territory? Who knows...
Putin, Lavrov, Churkin, are mega-liars. You cannot trust them with anything.

Order of parties, going downwards, listing in favour - against. Other numbers in photo - abstentions, did not vote.
Block Poroshenko 115 - 5
Narodni Front 69 - 1
Opposition Block 38 - 0
Samopomich - 5 - 26
Liahko Party - 0 - 21
Batkivshina - 0 - 18
Vidrodjenia Party - 11 - 0
Volya narody - 14 - 1
To get 300 votes. Theoretically BPP has 150 deputies. Also Volya has 20. Narodni Front 82. That's another 50 votes. They would need 35 more to get to 300. for 2/3rds.
Wiki - on the current balance in the Rada
Lysenko briefing.
2 injured in mariupol area. 5 drone flights by Putin's bandits.
on Mon Aug 31, 2015 6:02 amNelson
Groisman seems happy. But I thought they needed 300 for constitutional changes? Maybe not.
They are now singing the national anthem.
A lot of votes against. A lot of red that I saw.

The Council approved a constitutional amendment on first reading
The bill came during the preliminary voting 265 votes but to vote in general such amount will be insufficient.
Parliament previously approved Petro Poroshenko President proposed text amendments to the Constitution to decentralize power. The decision was supported by 265 MPs.

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on Mon Aug 31, 2015 5:27 amNelson
The meeting is going ahead - but almost drowned out by Liashko's gang chanting.
And what is the old witch Tymoshenko going to do?
Normally she will do anything that might be bad for Poroshenko. She wants to be supreme ruler, just like Yanukovich.

Two photos from 2 minutes ago - off the tv...

Tymoshenko still deciding what to do. What will give her the most votes when she runs again for President?

Liashko's gang screaming, banging around, chanting... and occasionally listening.

I also saw a fight starting between a couple of deputies, but this is nothing new for the Ukrainian parliament.

The wicked witch herself talking. Tymoshenko. Previously Samopomich leader, and Oppostion block - I think Boiko. ?
Amazing scenes currently in the Rada.
Looks like Groisman is going to try and conduct proceedings from the lower level.
Liashko controls the speaker's chair. And they are chanting away, trying to stop the Rada working.
320 deputies registered however. Enough - if all vote - for a majority.
Now also on Kanal 5. An absolute farce.

Groisman still speaking now - at 12.16. Liashko chanting away.
Photo below from earlier, Liashko. Parubiy attempting to address the Deputies.

08/31/2015 11:24.
"Radical Party" continues to block the presidium of parliament, representatives of the coalition trying to persuade them to cease these actions
Looking at tv now. News One channel.
Looks like kanal 112 have now picked up on this, interviewing people blocking the forum.
Now 11.40. A normal day's work at the ukrainian parliament - nothing happening.

My photo from tv. Looks like Liashko has disappeared - presumably for a meeting with Poro and co.

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Opponents of the constitutional changes blocked the road near the Verkhovna Rada
Activists put the car on the carriageway of the road in the government quarter of the capital, so the limited movement of cars on the street Hrushevsky of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine to the House of officers.
On Monday near the Verkhovna Rada of activists protesting against the vote on amendments to the Constitution, put the car on the carriageway of the road, through the limited movement of cars on the street Hrushevsky Parliament to the House of officers. Reported the State Affairs of Ukraine in Kiev

"Activists put the car on the carriageway of the road in the government quarter of the capital, so the limited movement of cars on the street Hrushevsky of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine to the House of officers" - said in a statement.

[live on News One channel]
on Mon Aug 31, 2015 4:26 amNelson
Now 11.23
I'm watching News One. Nothing currently on Kanal 5 or Rada TV.
News One shows lots of people in the corridors - press with cameras, some Deputies.
Also they have a feed from a sizeable protest outside the Rada. Presumably people against any changes, rather than in favor.

I expect BPP and Narodni Front to vote in favor.
As for the other parties, anything can happen.
The Opposition Block - Yanukovich's old party - presumably still controlled by Putin - will probably support the changes.
Liashko, Samopomich and Tymoshenko. Anybody's guess.
I presume they need a 2/3rds vote. 300 votes...

Groisman summoned the leaders of the factions (
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